A finite-dimensional representation of an algebraic group G gives a trace symmetric bilinear form on the Lie algebra of G. We give a criterion in terms of root system data for the existence of a representation such that this form is nonzero or nondegenerate. As a corollary, we show that a Lie algebra of type E₈ over a field of characteristic 5 does not have a so-called "quotient trace form", answering a question posed in the 1960s.